You mention the policy that there's basically three areas of examination: policy and program commitments, management commitments, and personal leadership. I think every taxpayer in the country knows that there are always missing billions in Ottawa. The question is, I ask them, tell me where it is and we'll find it and stop the leakage.
When you're doing an assessment of deputy ministers, does efficiency and economy of program management come into your discussions, and how do you apply it if it does?