I would turn to our chapter 4, where we reviewed values and ethics programs in public safety agencies and did a survey of employees there. There were two things that I found striking in there. One is that while the vast majority said they themselves would report suspected cases of wrongdoing, they didn't think their colleagues would, and they didn't think they would be respected if they did. The second issue is that a significant number also believe that management wouldn't take action.
So I think we're saying that there really has to be a significant role for senior leaders in the public service to show that values and ethics programs are more than just policy that gets sent out and some training that's done, that it is taken seriously, that sanctions are imposed as appropriate, that cases are dealt with, and that people who report suspected cases of wrongdoing do not suffer any consequence themselves.