So there would have been three since January and presumably seven prior to that period of time. Thank you for that comment and insight.
I have a question that relates to dealing with your department officials. I think it's quite important that you have this dialogue with the department officials, because I'm quite sure that even the Auditor General's office can get something wrong sometimes. It can get corrected and save everybody a lot of headaches, so I see a lot of value behind this approach. Do you ever have face-to-face meetings with department officials?