So they still have some power, even though they're not in office.
Thank you.
The other area I want to deal with is misconduct. This has been a troubling area. We seem to have programs in place in Ottawa so that when we find people who are ethically challenged and have done things that are not right, we send them off on a course to teach them ethics and values and so on. I have a lot of problems with that, because these are well-educated people and they're probably parents, in some cases grandparents. It seems to me if they didn't get that when they got out of high school, we probably have serious problems.
The vast majority, I agree with the Auditor General, are good, honest, trustworthy public servants, and there's always a bad apple in there. But I have difficulties trying to figure out the value of that kind of program.
On the other hand, I certainly do understand the value of deterrence. If people know with a high probability that they're going to get caught, and secondly, that when they get caught there are going to be some very serious consequences, I think the element that doesn't really have good ethics and value can understand that approach. Do we have that sort of system in place in our public service to deal with the bad apples who want to get into a misconduct situation?