It may have to be technically a meeting between the minister or the minister's designate and the chair, and the chair can bring along Dr. Franks. But if we're going to have this at the political-to-political level, then that meeting has to at least connect at the political level, and then others can continue. If the political people waive their being there, and they want to meet at a staff level, then fine, but I'm trying to get total control into the hands of two politicians: the chair of our committee as our representative, and the appropriate minister at the other side.
On March 21st, 2007. See this statement in context.