Evidence of meeting #45 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was stewart.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sheila Fraser  Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
Ron Stewart  Former Correctional Investigator, As an Individual
Howard Sapers  Correctional Investigator, Office of the Correctional Investigator
Charles-Antoine St-Jean  Comptroller General of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Marc O'Sullivan  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel and Special Projects Secretariat, Privy Council Office
Suzanne Hurtubise  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Georges Etoka

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

I raised it in my intervention, Mr. Chairman. I quote Dr. Franks' letter again that “the final decisions on the contents and form are mine and I accept full responsibility for any faults in it”.

Now the presentation of this report is, as I said, plagiarism of Dr. Franks' work, as far as I'm concerned, in the way it is presented. It's not being presented as our tabling of a report prepared by Dr. Franks. It's as if we had written this as a committee ourselves. Some people want to go through it line by line by line, and we either—

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I'm sorry, it's up to the committee to adopt it.

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Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

No, Mr. Chairman, I have—

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Can we have a recorded vote, sir?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

This will be a recorded vote.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

On a point of order—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I'm going to call on—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

A point of order—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

—the clerk—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Are you going to recognize a point of order, or are you going to abandon the Standing Orders?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

It is not a point of order, Mr. Williams. I recognize it is not a point of order. I'm sorry.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

You haven't even heard—

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Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

You mean plagiarism is not a point of order?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

We're adopting the report.

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Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

No, I said the report is plagiarizing Dr. Franks' work. Are you going to address that issue?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

No, it's up to the committee to adopt the report. It's not my—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

You seem to be determining whether we're going to proceed or whether we're going to hear the points of order. So you're making the decision for the rest of us.

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Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

You know, Mr. Chairman, we have the law clerk right here. Why don't we ask him about plagiarism, if this is plagiarism?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

No, we're not going to get—

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Why not?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Order.

The question will be put to a recorded vote.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I have a point of order. There are two points of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I haven't heard a legitimate point of order yet.

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Conservative

Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I think some of them were.

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Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Could you ask the clerk whether, if there are two motions on the table, the first one negating the second one, there's an opportunity to put the second one in priority?