Maybe I can answer a little differently. Where is the first place to have prevented this? I would say it would be with the appointment process and the training guidance given to GIC appointees.
It is clear Mr. Stewart has said he received no training. I can tell you when I was appointed I received no training, no instructions, nothing, and I would suspect that Mr. Sapers would also confirm that he didn't receive a whole lot of training either. So I think there's a question about the role of PCO, the guidance that is given to people. Do they understand their roles and responsibilities and the values of the public service? To me, that's number one. And as deputy head of any organization, the deputy head is ultimately accountable for what goes on in that organization.