Public Accounts Committee on March 26th, 2007

Evidence of meeting #45 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was stewart.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Review of the Roles and Responsibilities of the Treasury Board Secretariat

Chapter 11, Protection of Public Assets - Office of the Correctional Investigator of the November 2006 Report of the Auditor General of Canada

Committee Business

MPs speaking

Jean-Yves Laforest

Pierre Poilievre

David Christopherson

Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Brian Fitzpatrick

Also speaking

Sheila Fraser Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General of Canada

Ron Stewart Former Correctional Investigator, As an Individual

Howard Sapers Correctional Investigator, Office of the Correctional Investigator

Charles-Antoine St-Jean Comptroller General of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

Marc O'Sullivan Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel and Special Projects Secretariat, Privy Council Office

Suzanne Hurtubise Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Clerk of the Committee Mr. Georges Etoka

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I think it is impossible to go ahead with a vote on this matter until we've had a chance to do a clause-by-clause review. That's the first aspect of my point of order. We've not had occasion to look through the report on a clause-by-clause basis, the way reports are always approved by this committee.

Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

That's not a point of order.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Actually, it is a point of order. I'm talking about process here. I understand you want to pass this as quickly as possible and spread it out and take credit for it, but that's not the purpose of this committee. This committee—

Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

That's not a point of order.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Order, please. I'm prepared at this point in time to put the question. That is not a point of order.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I have another point of order, Mr. Chair.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

No.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Are you going to ignore points of order?

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

What is your second point of order, Mr. Poilievre?

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

My second point of order relates to the document itself, which is not a report of this committee. It's merely—

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Okay, that is it, colleagues. The question is going to go.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

He has a point of order.

March 26th, 2007 / 5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Lake, you have a point of order?

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

His point of order is first.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

You have to hear points of order. It's in the Standing Orders.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

A point of order, Mr. Wrzesnewskyj.

Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

I move that Mr. Simard have the floor.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

That's not a point of order.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

That's not a point of order, so let's just get going. Otherwise we're losing time.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

I put my hand up and asked to be on the list.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I said I was going to have a certain list, Mr. Lake, and I did, and I had to cut it off somewhere.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Is that normal practice?

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I told everybody I was going to entertain five and I entertained about seven.

Conservative

Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I have a point of order. It's a legitimate point of order.

Mr. Sweet has a motion that I believe, if we voted in favour of it, would supersede—

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

We'll deal with the motions in the order they come, Mr. Fitzpatrick.

Let's put the question.

Mr. Williams, a point of order.