I'll share my time with Mr. Lake. I just have a few questions that I wanted to catch before the witnesses are gone today.
This outsourcing and all the contracts that are going with the outsourcing are subject matters of much concern in themselves. It seems to me that we're back into passing checks between outfits that add little value to contracts. There's very little value. I'm sure this is what the Auditor General speaks to when she raises those issues, and we've heard these things before.
Mr. Crupi, did you have any direct dealings or personal dealings with Mr. Brazeau, who was involved with Consulting and Audit Canada?