Mr. Chairman, I wonder if we could let Mr. Zaccardelli finish his answer.
These gentlemen are disciplined officers who are well trained to take notes, and I would ask that they produce their notebooks, for the time periods in which these discussions happened, forthwith to this committee, and we'll examine those notes to find out exactly what happened in these meetings that have been discussed, particularly between Mr. Macaulay and Mr. Zaccardelli.