Yes, I can.
There was a lot of conversation following what the commissioner saw as a grave disappointment in the fact that Chief Superintendent Macaulay had not come forward on a timely basis to tell him about the issues that were running rampant in NCPC, HR, and corporate. Remember, as I said, according to the commissioner, he heard Macaulay say, “Well, I knew about it for a year and a half.” I heard, “I knew about it for a year, maybe more.”
So to the commissioner, he was gravely disappointed. Had he come forward sooner, a year ago maybe, we could have gotten our teeth into this situation, and whatever wrongdoing was ongoing, whatever was happening with the pension plan, whatever was happening with the insurances, and God knows what else could have been seen to much sooner and probably wouldn't have gotten to the state that it did.
That said, the commissioner said, “You know, this person was promoted early, 22 years of service, to chief superintendent. What he needs is to go somewhere to learn some courage and some leadership. Look at some places where he can go.” That's what he said. There was a little bit of talk about returning him to E Division for a while, because I think that's the operational division whence he came.
Finally, we settled on DND. They have a marvellous military ethos. They are famous for their leadership. So that's where that came in. It was a two-year secondment, and Macaulay spent seven months there.