When I had a conversation with Chief Superintendent Doug Lang, I asked him if Sergeant Frizzell was all right. He said, “Well, Barb, I believe he's going to be off sick for a while. He's not feeling very good.” That's what I heard, and that's all I can say to that.
If I can make a point, please, Mr. Macaulay was talking about when he knew what. Vern White, who is about to become the new chief for the Ottawa Police Service, has had a conversation with me. He recalls a conversation that I believe Chief Superintendent Macaulay referred to—