We're getting into situations here. We're dealing with people's reputations, and that question is direct hearsay. That's what it is. If it is important to bring Mr. Bruce Rogerson, then we'll have to do it, but we cannot get the statements of Bruce Rogerson through Mr. Frizzell.
I know it's not a judicial hearing. It's not a judicial proceeding, but we have to follow some process when we're involved in a matter this serious. Again, try to stick to the facts.