I can talk very fast.
To put this in perspective, in June of 2005 I was superintendent of technical operations. I have no knowledge of this investigation. What I know about the Project Probity investigation I've learned from the committee hearings and the blue notes. It was kept as a sensitive investigation, run by Inspector Roy, so the sharing of that information was not done with a lot of people.
In about May, when Assistant Commissioner Gork was scheduled to go to Lyons, I was named as the interim liaison for him on this investigation, to deal with the administrative matters Inspector Roy spoke to.
At about this time, on June 17, I got a call from Assistant Commissioner George--as she was at the time--outlining a complaint about the alleged harassing behaviour of Sergeant Frizzell and asking that something be done about it.
Very shortly thereafter I walked down the hall to Inspector Roy's office and we had a discussion about it. I was not given direction at that time. When I talk “direction”, I had influence from Assistant Commissioner George to get something going on this, but at that point I had received no direction from her to say do this, do that, do this. That order came from Assistant Commissioner Gork, and I believe he has already testified to that.
Inspector Roy and I had quite a discussion about what we'd do with this, because he needed Sergeant Mike Frizzell to clean up what he had left.
So when people see the order and what is missing from the order--from what Deputy Commissioner George thinks should have been in it, based on her understanding, or Inspector Roy and myself--that order was drafted by me in consultation with Inspector Roy and Sergeant Frizzell's new boss at CCAPs to get everything in place for him to be moved.
As Assistant Commissioner Rogerson stated, this was not about character assassination. This was a delicate situation. Deputy George had brought the h word, harassment, into the situation. We have strict policies and regulations and guidelines on how we deal with harassment.
My delicate job here, after talking with Mr. Gork the next day, was to figure out.... He wanted a written order done, and that was clear. And I think—