Yes. On Monday. This was enough, as far as he was concerned. Based on the previous actions of Sergeant Frizzell and his interrelations with Inspector Roy on avenues of investigation, he wanted it dealt with. It was over.
My understanding at that time was that the investigation was over; it was wrapping up. All that was left to be done was the packaging up of e-mails and those sorts of things.
We don't hand out written orders every day. I don't come into work in the morning and have my list of orders.... A written order to someone is a very serious thing within the RCMP. It shows that you haven't followed verbal direction and it is the next step to “we've got to do something more with this person”.
I didn't have enough from the conversation I had with Deputy George and the confirmation I had with Inspector Roy that the harassment--the obsessive and aggressive behaviour--was truly substantiated so that I could go ahead and demand Sergeant Frizzell take what's called a “special medical assessment” from health services. If I had felt in my brief time I had to deal with it that it was there, I could have gone to health services and demanded it.
I made a draft of the initial order, because there is no template for them. I had to make it up on the go and spit out in the order what he needed to stop doing based on what I had learned, what he needed to continue doing, and then that he needed to go on.
That's why there is some confusion around what's in the order and what some people think should have been in the order. It's because that was developed after I had the discussion with Assistant Commissioner George and after I then had a discussion with Assistant Commissioner Gork, who said, “Make it a written order. Make it happen. Have it done by Monday.” Then Inspector Roy and I went through the details of what does he need to do to finish off and to put what he was supposed to be doing to bed, and a day that was applicable for him to go back to his old post. I think someone else has testified that he had been gone for a year and there wouldn't be a seat for him, so I had to talk to the receiving inspector to have him there.
Most of the conversation I had with Sergeant Frizzell during the serving of the order was stuff that I couldn't refute. I didn't know the investigation. So his complaints of not being heard, not being listened to, being stymied or turned back and no one wanting to listen to him, were what I believed at the time something like having tunnel vision, whatever, on the file and sort of substantiating what other people were saying.
But I was not in a position to second-guess all those things. That was why the order was written as it was by me, that Assistant Commissioner Gork had ordered these things. For the order to be lawful, it had to have grounds to it. I wasn't in a position to contradict the legal stuff or the investigative avenues on the investigation, because I wasn't supposed to know that. That's why the order was written as it was, that was Assistant Commissioner Gork was making it and I'm doing it on his behalf and this is what must be done, blah, blah, blah, in a step.
I hope that clarifies it as quickly as possible.