No, I'm just trying to finalize the question.
We honestly felt that PWGSC meant we were totally protected because of their experience and expertise in government contracting. They are the experts; they do procurement on behalf of all departments.
As we heard today, in going to CAC there were issues, but I don't think anybody knew those issues were there. I mean, CAC was a very reputable organization; it had been there for a long time and it had done a lot of contracting for many departments. Therefore, what happened there was that there happened to be some collusion between two individuals, and that's where the problems occurred.