I suppose from the perspective of behaviour.... Denise was doing an A-based review, as I understand it, and came upon the irregularities. But the fact of the matter is that the behavioural issues, the abuse of power and authority and the lack of leadership and positive interaction with employees within NCPC, ultimately would have come to my attention, I think. I had an open-door policy, and I believe, quite frankly, that I had the trust of the membership, of the employees. So ultimately it would have come to my attention. I don't know if we would have gotten to where we are right now, because she was the one who raised the issue of irregularities around the pension fund, and thank God she did.
