No. No, I'm not, Mr. Chairman, and I don't think it was the second time I appeared here. It wouldn't have been the second, it would have been the first. I recall a member asking me a question, and what comes to mind is: What did you discuss with the minister? I said I wouldn't discuss that. That was based on a statement that I had made that, as a former public servant, I was bound by an oath of secrecy about discussions I had with a minister. I think if you go back to the minutes of this committee, you will find those statements.
Subsequent to that, when I came back here, the chair, who was Mr. Williams at the time, advised that they had verified with PCO, and that was removed. That's when I made the statement that I would not have made the first time I appeared here.