Yes, I do. You see, what....
I've explained it, and I had the same problem at the Gomery commission: in the selection of an agency to be qualified to do business, the political system has never interfered--except in a couple of cases. I brought that up the last time I was here. I think it was in the case of Paul Martin's office. And even to the point where I went to the commissioner of conflict of interest, I think it was, with some fairly hard proof that there was, I felt, a conflict of interest, he said no, no, don't worry about that; get on with the job.
I think I explained that at this committee, the last time I was here, the Martin issue about interfering, suggesting names to be added to the list. The end result was that we cancelled the competition.
Had I had the documents that were put before me at the Gomery commission, I would have brought them to this committee. But there were fireworks that went between DMs and ADMs and ministers.
Again, I stand by what I said, that ministers never got involved in qualifying an agency to do business with the government. Did they get involved in selecting events, who got the events? Absolutely.
I have a document here; there's a log kept by the minister's office, and I'll quote a few of them later on, if time permits. And they're not involved...? You know, there's a log from the minister's office, on the sponsorship program, of discussions between PCO, PMO, me, and so forth. But they've never been involved.