Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick
Mr. Kitchen, if you have something to contribute to this discussion, go ahead. We want wholesome answers on our inquiries here.
I see the lawyer is putting his hand on your arm.
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Great-West Life Assurance Company
I'm not sure of the process, sir, but in reply to Mr. Poilievre's question, the one thing we do have is an e-mail from Mr. Roy to people at Great-West indicating they were confident that they had found a service provider to provide the administrative services. It does not name Morneau.
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A voice
Do you have the date?
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Conservative
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Great-West Life Assurance Company
Certainly we can. I believe we probably already have provided it to Staff Sergeant Frizzell.
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Conservative
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NDP
David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON
Thank you.
Chief Superintendent Macaulay, toward the end of your presentation I asked if you had remaining investigations. You said, “One of our issues is that somebody review the criminal investigation to determine whether it should be reopened. That's one of the things we would like to see done.”
Chief Superintendent Macaulay and Staff Sergeant Frizzell, does that remain something that you believe still should be done to properly address this?
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C/Supt Fraser Macaulay
From my perspective, yes.
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S/Sgt Mike Frizzell
To be honest with you, I don't even want to think about it.
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NDP
David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON
I hear you. But technically, you stand by what you said.
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S/Sgt Mike Frizzell
Yes, I do.
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NDP
David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON
Staff Sergeant Frizzell, talk to me a little bit about the minutes that were changed. You said “Whether the insurance committee agreed to it or not”—and that was whether the money should come out of the insurance fund—“is really a side issue. But the fact that somebody thought it was important enough to apparently falsify the minutes....” The quote ends there. Please tell me about that.
5:50 p.m.
S/Sgt Mike Frizzell
The people I talked to who were at the meeting stated emphatically that it was agreed upon at that meeting that any moneys paid back to the pension fund would be paid out of the RCMP's budget, not out of the funds themselves. That seems to be in direct contradiction to the actual minutes of the insurance committee meeting.
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S/Sgt Mike Frizzell
I do not know who changed the minutes. I know who was accused of changing the minutes, and that would be Mr. Roy.
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NDP
David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON
Well, Mr. Roy, what do you have to say about that, sir?
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Senior Policy Analyst, Disability Program & Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
I don't know how much time we have—
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Senior Policy Analyst, Disability Program & Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
No.
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NDP
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Senior Policy Analyst, Disability Program & Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
First of all, it was related to the March 15 insurance committee meeting. It was an hour long. It was an ad hoc meeting called by my DG. A number of issues were presented during that meeting. I wrote the minutes. There was a lot of confusion over the $540,000 amount when she was trying to explain it.
What she was trying to explain was that the $540,000 that was taken out of the pension fund and put into the members' insurance plans, according to the agreement between Jim Ewanovich and Deputy Commissioner Lange, was being rescinded and that money that came out of the members' pension plan had to go back.
I would like to finish this, please. This is very important.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick
We're running out of time here. We have a higher calling here. It's a vote on the budget.
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NDP
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick
The opposition parties and Mr. Williams are trying to frustrate the budget here.