Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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(Retired), Great-West Life Assurance Company
No; we were dealing with the RCMP. We were dealing--
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Conservative
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(Retired), Great-West Life Assurance Company
We were working also with members of the RCMP.
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Conservative
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(Retired), Great-West Life Assurance Company
He was their representative on the insurance outsourcing.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Mr. Casey, you were the representative on insurance outsourcing--not just preparing the business plan, but actually determining who would get the contract?
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As an Individual
No. I was doing the day-to-day work with Great-West Life for that one year.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
You told them that they would be subcontracting to Morneau Sobeco.
June 12th, 2007 / 5:45 p.m.
As an Individual
I did not. In fact I recommended that an ACAN be published on MERX.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Can you, Great-West Life, please get back to us in writing on who it was that directed you to subcontract to Morneau Sobeco?
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
I'm asking you to get back to us in writing. There must be some record of this somewhere.
Who is active with Great-West Life? Mr. Kitchen, are you with Great-West Life?
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Can you commit to get back to us in writing indicating who from the RCMP, or anyone outside the RCMP, told you to subcontract to Morneau Sobeco?
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Great-West Life Assurance Company
I can say that we've reviewed our records. We also cooperated with Staff Sergeant Frizzell when he investigated a couple of years ago. We, as Mr. Pattie has just said, have not been able to find any record as to which person it was at the RCMP who gave us the name.
We can go through our records and get back to you as to whether we have uncovered anything, but we have already done that exercise.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Do you have any interest in Morneau Sobeco, Mr. Casey?
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick
Mr. Poilievre, your time is up.
I have Mr. Wrzesnewskyj on the list again.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Staff Sergeant Frizzell, you've made it quite clear that you felt that there was direction. We've seen it in e-mails. The memorandum of understanding makes it clear that this was not arm's length.
Inspector Paul Roy reported to Assistant Commissioner Gork.
We've seen the Ottawa Police investigation report that came from ATIP to us. The inside cover calls it a joint investigation of the RCMP and Ottawa Police. In fact it has both the Ottawa Police and the RCMP logo right on the front of that report.
We heard it was a rigged contracting process. With a great deal of effort, a criminal investigation finally began. It was supposed to be arm's length. It didn't appear to be.... You go through the rigged contracting. You do your interviews.
Did anyone ever do the accounting forensics to follow the money? Did anyone go into the bank accounts? Was any of that work ever done? If not, why not, and who stopped the investigation?
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S/Sgt Mike Frizzell
The only forensics was that we had a forensic accountant look at the contracts themselves. They did not interview any of the contractors or do anything beyond look at the paper. As far as following the money, that wasn't done. No search warrants were executed. We simply ran out of time.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
You ran out of time. As a consequence of that, no criminal or internal charges ensued. Is that correct?
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S/Sgt Mike Frizzell
Despite running out of time, there seemed to be ample evidence as to Mr. Crupi's conduct as a public officer. However, there was more to look into, yes.