Given that we have witnesses on this list who have already testified, I'm very surprised that we would not be inviting the minister who was responsible at the time this scandal occurred. She stood up in the House of Commons and said that Mr. Zaccardelli had no conduct that needed to be investigated whatsoever. Those were her words.
We now learn that those words were wrong. We know that during the time this scandal occurred, Treasury Board approved all of the increases in costs associated with pension and insurance outsourcing. I don't know why the Liberal members would not want the Treasury Board president to be invited to participate in this meeting.
I'm not on a point of order. I'm on the speaking list and I'm going to speak. You've had your chance to speak. You can't shut me down and try to shut down discussion of what happened under your government.
Mr. Chair, the reality is that if we're going to have Mr. Zaccardelli, it's--