Thank you, Chair.
Thank you, Ms. Busson, for appearing before us again.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank you. You took on a very difficult job. Especially when it comes to the pension and insurance fund, the rigged contracting, alleged cover-ups, you weren't left with an easy task as an interim commissioner, but overall, I think you did tremendous things during that short period of time, and especially in dealing with what's at the core of a lot of this—the culture within the RCMP and what's been called the corrupted culture in the top echelons.
Human resources can be an incredible tool. As Ms. Duxbury seemed to reference, it can be used in positive ways and negative ways. We heard about punitive transfers, constructive dismissals, also wrongdoers who were rewarded and, when it no longer became tenable because they had been outed, provided with soft landings.
So I'd like to thank you, first of all, for acknowledging the people who had the fortitude in that particular culture to keep their principles and to step forward. You had that private dinner, but with a public commendation for those individuals.
But just before you left, you also dealt with Mr. Gauvin, and he's referenced in Mr. Brown's report. I guess his testimony was given a couple of days before the report was tabled, and that information wasn't available at the time. Many people feel that you provided Mr. Gauvin—it was untenable for him to remain—with a soft landing. I'd like to ask you why.
Just before you answer, I'd like to read from page 44 of Mr. Brown's report. He says:
While Commr Zaccardelli felt strongly enough to ask Mr. Ewanovich to step down when he was briefed on the results of the internal audit, he allowed Mr. Ewanovich to have what can only be described as a "soft landing". Mr. Ewanovich continued as an employee of the RCMP, drawing a salary, earning pension entitlements and working out of another nearby building. His constant visibility to those who had laboured so long to have the issues under his management exposed served to confirm some views that different rules applied to the management class.
We've read about that from the report that Ms. Duxbury had provided to us. Why the soft landing for Mr. Gauvin?