I'll just note for the record that on the opinion from Mr. Pigeon, Mr. Wiersema was not one of the clients to receive a copy of that. This is just to be noted.
The other point I want to make on this matter as well is that in the previous committee it was made clear with Public Works officials dealing with leasing that there was nothing unusual about discussing issues at the ministerial level with political ministers--Mr. Goodale and the junior minister in Quebec. These things were regularly discussed.
Are you saying that throughout this period of time--with this problem with the Centra group, and no debt, no liability, but here they're doing all this work, and this is going on underneath the surface--the political minister in charge of that department was not aware of these problems?