I should point out too, with respect to the other individual—and it's not my job to carry his brief or anything—that we've had no response from him that he's unwilling to come here; we just cannot locate him.
Sometimes the efforts of the committee previously haven't been 100%, as far as that is concerned. We couldn't locate Janice Cochrane, don't forget. She was the accounting officer. I would support bringing her, but we couldn't locate her. There are a number of people in Ottawa who know her, and there's no evidence at all that she avoided the committee or that she was in hiding. That's totally false. She's well known to most people in Ottawa. In fact, she has a summer home on Prince Edward Island, and I see her quite regularly.
We have to be careful with these—