Evidence of meeting #19 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bonaventure.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gary Polachek  As an Individual
Janice Cochrane  As an Individual
Alex Smith  Committee Researcher

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Hubbard.

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Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Mr. Poilievre says “blame” for what is going to be in this report?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Yes.

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Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Have we established blame, Mr. Chair?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

No; we haven't written our report yet.

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Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

We should be careful, then, in what we say.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Go ahead, Mr. Poilievre.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

You wrote in a memo to Minister Gagliano on July 1, 2001, that “We have nothing to justify submitting to you a request for approval to negotiate directly with the owner of 800 Place Victoria.”

In a memo to Minister Goodale, seeking approval for a lease with Place Victoria, in reference to Place Bonaventure, you wrote the following: “That strategy was the most cost-effective for the government.”

Given this, how could you possibly have recommended signing a lease with Place Victoria when, in two separate memos, on two separate occasions, you said that Place Bonaventure was a more cost-effective option for the government?

11:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

Place Bonaventure was the most cost-effective solution for the government based upon the client requirements that had been identified as part of the process.

At the time the tender process was carried out, it was monitored by a fairness monitor and determined to be a fair process. In accordance with the client's needs, we recommended that the lease be signed.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Please let her complete her answers.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

When the needs were changed, you didn't give Place Bonaventure a chance to change all of its calculations, did you?

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As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

By that time the lease had been signed.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Yes, but you changed the framework of the entire bidding process, and you let only one of the participants compete under the new conditions.

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As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

In fact, they became separate transactions, because the lease with Place Bonaventure had been signed.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Separate transactions for the same product?

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As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

Not necessarily. We had determined when we went into negotiations with Place Victoria that we would be able to put other clients in the space in Place Bonaventure. It became Public Works' rented space, essentially.

Noon

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

And the other two bidders that came in ahead of Polachek?

Noon

As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

It was a separate transaction. So that transaction had closed.

Noon

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

So you're telling me there was no competitive bid for this latest transaction.

Noon

As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

The latest transaction was—

Noon

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Was there a competition?

Noon

As an Individual

Noon

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

There wasn't a competition. Okay.

Noon

As an Individual

Janice Cochrane

No, it was a renegotiation with the existing landlord.