I have an observation or comment I want to make on this.
Not too many years ago I was on the other side, and there was a strong reluctance on the public accounts committee to be hauling ministers in here. I never once supported doing that. I don't recall that happening in my experience on public accounts, including being on the opposition side.
I think it's an unwise practice because of the point that Mr. Lake just mentioned. Ministers are accountable to Parliament. We're dealing with the administrators of departments, and so on, and their accountability. We can deviate and throw this committee off course by turning it into that kind of a committee, but I don't think it's a good thing to do.