So in respect of the administration of the coast guard, we have not had administrators who have stood on the decks, travelled the ocean, been on the lakes. I think it's important to have people with some personal experience in what the coast guard does.
With people who come up through the ranks, who have started off in the training schools and come up through human resources, who have had their feet on the decks and have had experience at sea, what level have they attained in your administration?