Yes, sir. The ministers meet on an annual basis, and then in between they have averaged two to three meetings a year. Deputy ministers have met approximately four times to six times a year--it depends on the workload. Assistant deputy ministers of policy--and they're all senior people--met in upwards of eight to ten meetings over the last year. I think that would be accurate.
If we are negotiating something, it needs a lot of engagement, but if things are negotiated, then you can have fewer meetings, because it's a lot of effort and work.