Well, as I said previously in my testimony in French, first of all I don't believe I know Mr. Arès. I don't believe I've ever met Mr. Arès. All the meetings we had were information meetings, and all the meetings we had with the officers of the department were held in the headquarters in Hull. We never met with anyone, particularly on matters like real estate and this particular project--for which, as I say, I haven't got much recollection--other than Mrs. Beal, who was assistant deputy minister responsible for real property, and Mr. Mike Nurse. He was associate deputy minister, but prior to being associate, he was responsible for real property.
As far as I'm concerned, I never met Mr. Arès. Mr. Arès seems to imply--I'm not sure he confirms it, but he seems to imply--that he got instructions from me. Intermediate managers in any department produce the documentation for their superiors; maybe his superior told him to prepare something for the minister's office, but I certainly never told him to prepare anything for the minister's office.