Okay. So they could be working and beavering away here in Canada and earning a good living, when they actually should be leaving the country because we don't want them here. Maybe they say that because they're paying their taxes, everything should be fine. But I think the first thing we need to know is whether these illegal immigrants can get that number. That would be one way to find them, because they wouldn't be able to work. I'm surprised the department wouldn't have that information.
On the issue Mr. Lee raised on the fees charged, we have programs in which they are supposed to recover the fees but not make a profit as such. I think it was a number of years ago that the Department of Agriculture was charging fees for the approval of animal feed, which of course CFIA would presumably regulate.
But if they had 10 applications in a year, they would charge 10% of the cost, and if they had 100 applications in a year, they would charge 1% of the cost. It seemed a rather strange way of conducting business per se; it was an arbitrary amount based on the number of applications from competitors as to the amount of fee they would have to pay. Is this a reasonable way to do business?