Thank you very much, Mr. Shipley, for those observations.
On your first observation on the budget, and I don't have all the exact details with me, you're absolutely right. Most of the programs will be delivered through the government's machinery. So it's not going to be like a transfer out to somebody. It will be through Transport Canada or through Human Resources and Skills Development Canada and their programs. So there will be control and accountability of all that delivery. That is my understanding of how that will be focused. There will be more control over it and more accountability with respect to it.
Regarding the building of complex systems, I think there are a number of parts to that. As accountant types sitting over here, and I know that there are a few professional accountants on the committee, I think it's always important for us to ask if we are doing something that people will understand and that is good for taxpayers. I think one of the ways we do that is through consultation with committees, such as this committee or the government operations committee, to make sure that there's appropriate opportunity for other Canadians, either through focus groups or other consultations, to have a look at these things. Then someone can have a look at it and say, “Well, you guys may get this, but we don't”. And we can go back and try to fix it.
Government is complex, so there will always be some level of complexity, but I think it's something that, honestly, maybe we've lost sight of a little bit and that we need to fix.