You can't have silos, and I think that's our biggest problem. As members of the public accounts committee, we sit here, scratch our heads, and pull our hair out, as Mr. Christopherson was doing, saying we are all responsible. What can we do?
As far as value for money, if I'm investing $7 billion of taxpayers' money and you give me these answers, I get a little concerned. Who is responsible? Who is ducking? How are we working toward the benefit of the people who are most vulnerable?
I look at the problems the Auditor General has listed and there are about six. The actions you have taken do not even address them. There are no outcome indicators. There's limited assurance that services by first nations comply with provincial legislation. They do not know whether INAC's program makes any difference in the lives of children. There are no roles and responsibilities. And as I was looking to your response, it didn't.... I'm a consultant by trade, so this is what I do. I'm getting a little concerned, because we can't sit here and not know what to do as the next step. We're not blaming the bureaucrats, but we have to work together.
So what would you say is the return on investment of the $7 billion? With all these moneys you're talking about, why do we still have this problem?