Yes, Mr. Murphy.
The departmental performance reports do include performance measures, and they continue to improve. These performance measures or performance indicators are consistent with the types of measures used in evaluation. But the structure of these reports follows auditing standards. We're auditing performance against strategic outcomes for the programs at a fairly high level and at the levels of program activity.
In some respect here evaluation is dealing with programs at a lower level of granularity. So they're not inconsistent, it's just there's a continuum of information on performance from the program level up to the strategic outcomes. I understand you have a hearing on this.