What I'm hearing, then, is the resistance from HR managers and HR professionals, which you would expect to see when you start to look at moving a culture. It wouldn't necessarily be on purpose, or something they were trying to do to undermine, but indeed there was a sense of the natural resistance of “You're stepping on my turf.”
How do we deal with that? How do we move that so they understand their importance in this overall system and we don't end up with folks who, simply by trying to protect the turf that they own, undermine the whole system of how we change the culture?