Yes, but certain cases have been clearly identified as problematic, like the one in front of me, which is the Royal LePage relocation contract. It talks here about a trip to the Caribbean with Royal LePage employees and a cruise in Alaska. It also says that National Defence officials did a tour in western Canada with Royal LePage representatives and accepted gifts, lodging, golf tournaments and luxury meals. All this is described in an investigation report. There have not been any consequences. The people involved are still working in the public service. The employee who was fired as a result of these dealings later came back into the public service.
We also have the case of someone named Scott, who was working as a CRTC employee and who took part in the Interchange Canada program at the same time as he was a registered lobbyist under the Lobbyist Registration Act. One way or another, the rules on conflicts of interest are not being followed. These people cannot plead ignorance or say that they did not know how to recognize a conflict of interest situation. I think that there have been too many examples of conflicts of interest in the public service for these situations to be ignored.
I am wondering what measures are put in place afterwards. Is there enough work being done to prevent the problems? You answered that question in part when you said that the departments have not done enough in this regard. The Treasury Board representative will be coming before the committee, and she will certainly be asked the same questions. I would like to know whether the enforcement measures imposed afterwards are inadequate and whether the efforts should be invested upstream.