I wasn't there, but I did ask. Again, I asked the chair of that committee yesterday so that I could speak as truthfully as possible to this committee. They felt there was no atmosphere of fear and that they were being told the truth. They met individually, in camera, with each of these four individuals.
Throughout the rest of the year, 2010—I came on as chair in March 2010—I was aware of the audit itself. In April, I attended, at the commissioner's invitation, an all-staff meeting—there are only 23 to 25 staff members—at which the commissioner said to all staff present, while I was in the room, “You all have individual access to Michael Nelson at any time you want about anything.” That's a little unusual for an audit committee member, but I'm not a terribly intimidating person and I felt comfortable with that invitation.