Thank you very much. And I can understand the passion of my colleague, because this is a serious issue.
I just want to again say that for Mr. Kramp's purposes, here are the Standing Orders. I double-checked. No rule exists or was established by this committee on whether or not the documents should be held confidential. These documents are public. Madame Faille said that. We could even obtain these through access to information.
And with respect to the departure agreement, because I know it's a sensitive document that's being discussed, in paragraph 6 it also deals with the accountability of Parliament and the point I raise with respect to the public interest, which is clearly spelled out. And this is what we're trying to pursue. I'm going to read this out again, so members understand and it's on the record. It reads:
The particulars of the Departure Agreement shall be held strictly confidential and shall not be disclosed by any person, unless required by federal or provincial law or regulation, or because of the Minister's responsibility and accountability to Parliament....
That's the issue, Mr. Chair.