I appreciate that.
So getting to the point with regard to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, the reason I wanted to highlight that was to determine why this figure was so high, but we'll follow up on that later on.
With respect to a lapse in funding, this has raised some questions, and it caught my attention in the case of two programs under Citizenship and Immigration Canada. One was for grants in support of a multiculturalism program in which 99% of the funding was not used and lapsed, and the other was for contribution support of the community historical recognition program. Treasury Board, is this program designed just to cut ribbons and make announcements? Is that why it wasn't used? Was it a reflection of poor planning, something they announced but had no desire to carry into effect? Or is it simply a reflection of incompetence?