For this program, I would agree with the member that you would expect the design to be done in a way that would allow for measurement. You would also expect the information to be gathered in that way. A lot of the economic thinking out there suggests that the impact should be calculated in a much broader way than by just looking at the program. But yes, we would have expected the specific programs to have gathered the information in a way that would allow them to assess the program's impact.
