I'm curious to know how you came to that conclusion, because, for example, TPC has handed out $3 billion over the course of its program, and $767 million has been repaid. DIPP was at about $2.15 billion, of which 28% has been repaid. I'm curious to know if you looked at the department's own repayment forecast, which the department never actually released to the public. But access to information reports found, for example, that in 2004-05 Industry officials had pegged TPC's total for repayments at about 21%, yet the records at that time indicated that it was nowhere near that.
When the program was first unveiled, the minister said that the program would recoup $1.50 to $2 back to the federal government. Even David Emerson, when he was named minister, downgraded it in saying that 80% would be recouped. I'm just curious to know how you came to that conclusion in light of access to information reports that are a number of years old now and that show the department was never anywhere near recouping the amount of money that it had projected it would recoup.