Thank you, Chair, and my thanks to the Auditor General and all the witnesses.
First of all, I just want to say thank you to the Treasury Board Secretariat. That office has taken the initiative. I find it interesting in your last remarks, Mr. Scrimger, that you didn't understand the full context of what it would take for the scope of this project.
I liken that, in my mind, to those who have had the opportunity to renovate an old house as compared with building a new house. There are always, in a renovation or with upgrades to modernize an old house, those unknowns—we see it here in these buildings—that never show up until you actually get into it. In building a new house, though, you have the plans, everything is laid out, and you start from scratch.
So we have to identify the need. I want to thank you for striking that independent blue ribbon panel in 2006. For those who may not have understood that, maybe you could help me. The independent panel, how many were on it and who was it? That may go to the Auditor General or to the Secretariat.