There is no disagreement. One of the really important parts of the Auditor General's report is that it shows there are four winning conditions or missing conditions. The combination of those is what's likely to result in enduring change. You could pick any one of them, such as legislation without funding, or funding without legislation, and so on. They would have some results, but they would probably be temporary, in our view. If you want enduring structural change, it's the combination of these tools.
On October 24th, 2011. See this statement in context.