The deputy minister is absolutely right. There has been some cultural change but not enough. We have to examine cultural change but it's far bigger than the Canadian Forces. As we said, this is pervasive in society. We recruit from society. It's going to take time.
When General Vance started Operation Honour, the response was very much almost a disciplinary approach. First of all, acknowledge the problem. When we detect the problem, deal with it, and deal with it quite rightly harshly in many cases. It's unacceptable behaviour but that sort of reaction doesn't necessarily change beliefs and attitudes. That changes the response but when people are away they know they're not being watched; they won't necessarily change their beliefs and attitudes.
That's what we've got to work on through education and training. It will take time. Sociologists will tell you a culture change doesn't take days or weeks. We're talking months and probably years.
We will come up with a cultural change strategy. It is not independent of the Canadian Forces. We will work with experts in society, with Five Eyes allies as we go forward. To get back to your question, a lot more cultural change will be required as we go forward, to once again reinforce the fact that this is completely unacceptable.
I emphasize once again that we're dealing with a very small proportion of folks in uniform.