Madam Chair, we don't have particular information about where the departmental audit committees were with respect to 2003 and 2007 audits. I can confirm that the departmental audit committees of which I am aware, particularly National Defence since I've been to their departmental audit committee meetings—are committed to following up on the action plans, particularly the current action plans, the most recent audits we have done.
I think the problem some departmental audit committees will face and internal audits will face is with the information that is available for them to determine where the risks are so that they can go out and do their internal audits. What we saw here was that the information that would have been sufficient for them to have perhaps identified the risks and to have gone out and done this work was probably not there. We do identify that data was an issue and that it needs to be fixed, and once it gets fixed perhaps the internal audit shop will be able to do more work.