Excuse me, Mr. Chair. We're short on time.
I do appreciate your candour on the subject, though, because I think you're absolutely right, and I'm glad to hear you say it. The point I was making is that the study also demonstrates that rail often does not compete with highway traffic. It competes with airline traffic, even when it's not high-speed rail, so we are subsidizing a mode of transportation that loses money at the expense of one that makes money. That's just the reality.
I point to an example. The Winnipeg-Churchill per passenger subsidy is $1,000. That's just the subsidy. That doesn't include the fare. What is the cost of a plane ticket from Winnipeg to Churchill?