I'm just going to relate to a few boards that I've served on in my life—a university board of governors, industry-wide Canadian Home Builders'. These are basic things. Those people should not be allowed to be part of those discussions, and I'm sorry, but it should not take other board members having to challenge them on certain issues. This just seems like a basic practice of conflict of interest. If that is the case, what you just said, that is absolutely out of line with Robert's rules, or any set of rules you'd like, in respect of overall board governance.
