Part of it stems from things that have developed earlier in these individuals' encounters with the criminal justice system. Particularly going through youth centres and provincial systems, they become associated with gangs, and that obviously carries over.
This is one of the things that, although the Auditor General didn't point it out to us, is really part of what's behind some of the issues we've been tackling. The fact that if we do not, in my words, surround an indigenous person right at the beginning when he comes into one of our correctional centres and start to get him engaged in their correctional planning and programs, if we leave any time before we're engaging them directly, the gangs will engage them and fill the void that individuals are looking for. They're looking for somebody to help them, to guide them, etc.