Just to clarify, there was a meeting following that meeting. There were a number of those kinds of meetings with the heads of HR and with CFOs as the issues arose. That's why Treasury Board Secretariat hired another third party. I think that's the report you were referring to.
Again, as Ms. Lemay said, there was a deputy ministers' meeting at the end of January. At that meeting, we asked the departments the following question: do you feel, as a department, you are ready to get onto Phoenix? At the same time, PSPC presented that the system was ready. Each individual deputy minister, for their department, were asked to be ready.
The majority of the deputy ministers at the time, given the balance of the knowledge they had, felt that should the Phoenix system go forward, they would be ready to on-board to Phoenix. The decision was taken by PSPC to do the first phase and the second phase with the input of the deputy ministers' sense of their readiness.