Pardon me for interrupting you, Ms. Hogan.
I noticed in exhibit 1.48 in your 2021 report, which deals with opportunities to strengthen governance, that these are the same findings that were made in 2018, i.e. a lack of communication with senior officials who were not invited to participate in setting up the Phoenix program.
A few years later, we see that communication with senior officials and, obviously, their participation in setting up IT procurement projects need to be strengthened. This is why I suspect that problems are still a possibility. We have, of course, made progress and the situation is improving, but it is shocking to see that the main problem that your office underlined in 2018 with regards to Phoenix is still in your 2021 report.
What can you tell us about this?